Joined: Jul 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 101 Location: France
Re: Scale Model Competition « Reply #90 on Aug 3, 2005, 4:52pm »
Very interesting. Indeed I was confused when I asked the question between method 1 and 2. After a short explanation from Steve, I understood the way to do it and just…did it
As Jeff said the goal here is to learn in a fun way, not to produce the exact model of a C2. Speaking for myself, I think it’s all about learning to work the clay for the concept I have in my head to be “alive”. For sure some works will be abstract sculpture with a strong style, so accuracy is not a big issue.
Mastermodeler you said an interesting thing about hand modelling. Even if I understand the next steps as we progress, most of the time I don’t really have a precise idea about where we’re going. Perhaps it slows down the process, but for sure it puts me in a situation where I have to find solutions to problems with the help of Steve. I can’t wait to be at the hand modelling stage. Concerning my “luxury templates”, I knew they were more than enough to produce good work, but hey I had this 2mm aluminium plates so I gave it a try. Anyway with the good tools and knowledge I can produce them fast. Now I have an idea of the template’s strength required, so I’ll switch to a more easy way to do it. You talked about acetate right ? Can you say more ? How do you cut it , do you sand it , what is the thickness etc… ? In Europe we don’t always have the same materials, or we have it with a different name.
Steve, do you know you’re a great teacher ?! It’s so good to read the details you give and see the pictures. Yamada’s book seems to be very useful. I tried to find a place where they sell it but didn’t find anything. Do you know a retailer who could sell it and send it in France ?
Joined: Aug 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 2 Location: California
Re: Scale Model Competition « Reply #92 on Aug 3, 2005, 9:57pm »
Seb, The acetate I use for dragging is 1mm thick. You can use 1.5mm if you are concerned about the acetate bending during your drag, but if you back it up with a masonite backing that is about 3-4mm's smaller you wont have a problem. But remember, you have to have the masonite as your guide to run against your plan view template....the acetate will get a groove if it is drug against the plan view template.
You can cut the acetate with a zip knife or an exacto knife. All you have to do is overlay your acetate over your drawing, tape it down so it wont move & trace your drawing line with your knife. You can use sweeps to cut up against to get your curves right or free hand your cut if you have a steady hand.
You dont have to cut all the way through, one pass with your knife is all that is needed. Once you have your template cut, untape it & snap the acetate. You can clean the edge up with sandpaper, but nothing over 150 grit is needed. Once if is sanded, turn your blade to the side & gently scrape the edge of the acetate to give it a bit of a polish.
Joined: Jul 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 101 Location: France
Re: Scale Model Competition « Reply #93 on Aug 10, 2005, 8:52am »
Hi ,
MasterModeler thx for your answer. I don’t really know where to find acetate yet. But it seems to be the way to go. Indeed working at a fast pace is important at the beginning. Do you drag a warmed clay with acetate templates ? The clay I use is hard so I’m a little concerned about the rigidity of a 1.5 mm acetate…
Steve, thanks for the link. For sure the model competition is better than any book At the moment I’m so busy, preparing a sculpture contest to be held in October 1st. It’s an important event. I’m going to try to keep moving the model. It will be easier when I’ll have found acetate to produce templates in a fast way.
Other participants, are you too shy to post pictures ?!
Joined: Aug 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 2 Location: California
Re: Scale Model Competition « Reply #94 on Aug 10, 2005, 9:43am »
Seb, when dragging with an acetate template you absolutely have to use hot clay....right out of the oven. Even if it starts to cool down a little bit, swap it for hot clay.
Joined: Jul 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 101 Location: France
Re: Scale Model Competition « Reply #95 on Aug 10, 2005, 1:20pm »
ok, that's why it took me so much time to start the model. If you look at the pictures I submited, the method I used was to apply warm clay to build up the volume, then I waited the clay to cool down at room temperature, and only then I started to drag the templates to shave the excess... if needed I warmed the surface with a heat gun. This method is very time consuming. The result is probably a better surface, but now I understand that the surface look is not important. So where can I find the acetate !! I'm going to try the proper method for the latest stages Steve has shown.
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